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YU v. APPLE INC.

Oral Argument — 03/03/2021 · Case 20-1760 · 33:42

Appeal Number
20-1760
Argument Date
03/03/2021
Duration
33:42
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617
Panel Judges
  • Judge Judge Prost high
  • Judge Judge Taranto high
  • Judge Judge Newman low
Attorneys
  • Appellant Appellant Attorney (Robert G. Litts) high
  • Appellee Appellee Attorney (Heidi Lyn Keefe) high
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0:00 Judge Prost The place for argument is 20-1760, you versus Apple.
0:04 Mr. Litz, whenever you're ready.
0:08 Appellant Attorney (Robert G. Litts) Good morning, Your Honors, and may it please the Court.
0:11 Robert Litz on behalf of Appellant Yen Ben-Yu and Zhang Shuanzhang.
0:16 The application for the 289 patent was filed on January 15, 1999, more than 22 years ago.
0:23 At that time, digital cameras were in the infancy.
0:26 Judge Prost And the patent, I'm sorry, I'm sorry to interrupt.
0:27 This is Judge Prost.
0:28 And the patent expired in 2019, is that correct?
0:31 Yes.
0:32 Okay, thank you.
0:33 Sorry, I did interrupt.
0:35 Appellant Attorney (Robert G. Litts) At that time, digital cameras were in their infancy, and they simply produced low-quality
0:39 images compared with traditional film cameras.
0:42 And this was because of the technical limitations of image sensors that existed at that time.
0:49 One possible solution was to simply use larger image sensors, but this would have simply
0:54 introduced a whole host of additional problems.
0:57 So simply using larger image sensors was not an optimal solution.
1:02 The inventions of the 289.
1:04 Both of whom have doctorates in electrical engineering or related fields, realized all
1:09 of this, and therefore they set out on a more creative approach to solve these problems
1:13 by developing an entirely new digital camera architecture and a new use of that architecture
1:17 to produce digital images.
1:20 And those efforts led to the development of the claimed invention of the 289 patent.
1:25 The 289 patent discloses and claims an improved digital camera that includes a specific and
1:32 unconventional digital camera architecture.
1:34 And a specific and unconventional use of that digital camera architecture to produce a
1:39 resultant digital image.
1:41 Judge Taranto This is Judge Tronto.
1:43 Can I just ask this question?
1:44 Is it a matter of dispute whether in the prior art there was a configuration or understood
1:56 to be a possible configuration of two black and white sensors co-planar?
2:03 Appellant Attorney (Robert G. Litts) I don't believe that.
2:05 I don't believe that issue has been raised.
2:07 There is nothing, there are no references in the record that disclose such configuration.
2:18 Okay.
2:19 So that's all I can really speak to that.
2:22 Judge Taranto I guess part of what I was interested in, and I think this is in the red brief to some
2:30 extent, quite a lot of the spec here is about a particular embodiment of three, three, three,
2:39 single color sensors, plus one black and white sensor.
2:44 And it's possible that all the language about the key invention here is kind of about that.
2:53 The claim language, did you agree, is broad enough to cover the arrangement I described,
3:02 two sensors, both of them black and white, which I guess everybody agrees is the same as full
3:07 color, oddly enough.
3:08 But, you know, I don't know.
3:10 You know, co-planar, and they're used, you know, one of them is used to enhance in some
3:16 undefined way the image from the other.
3:19 Appellant Attorney (Robert G. Litts) That's actually a disclosed embodiment in the invention.
3:23 Where's that?
3:24 There is a two sensor embodiment that is exactly like you described, and let me give you the
3:29 location of that.
3:33 That is at appendix 27.
3:36 What's the column and line number?
3:37 At column seven, lines 36 to 46.
3:42 Okay.
3:43 Thanks.
3:45 Okay, so proceeding, the architecture itself includes first and second image sensors, where
3:51 the second image sensor is sensitive to a full region of visible color spectrum, and
3:56 the first and second image sensors are closely positioned with respect to a common plane.
4:02 The architecture is used to produce a resultant digital image by capturing a first digital
4:08 image using the first image sensor, capturing a second digital image using the second image
4:13 sensor, which again is sensitive to a full region of visible color spectrum.
4:15 And enhancing the first digital image with the second digital image.
4:21 With this clean combination of limitations, the improved digital camera, the 289 patent
4:25 was able to produce high-quality and film-like true color digital images.
4:29 And this is something that prior digital cameras simply could not do at that time.
4:35 This presented an improvement over prior multi-sensor cameras because prior multi-sensor cameras
4:41 used prisms to split light into distinct bands.
4:44 Whereas,
4:46 so that the image sensors do not have to be close to one another,
4:49 whereas the invention of the 289 patent uses image sensors that are closely positioned with respect to a common plane.
4:54 Also, prior multi-sensor cameras captured images representing only a distinct region of the visible light spectrum,
5:01 such as a red image, a green image, and a blue image separately,
5:05 and merely combined those images to form a color image,
5:08 whereas the 289 patent captures at least one image representing a full region in the visible light spectrum
5:13 and uses that image to enhance another captured image.
5:16 This was not done with prior multi-sensor digital cameras.
5:22 Now, the architecture is important to the claimed invention
5:25 because using image sensors that are closely positioned with respect to a common plane
5:29 allows separate images of the same target to be captured without using prisms.
5:35 And using an image sensor that's sensitive to a full region of visible color spectrum is important
5:39 because it allows information that may have been missed by the first image sensor
5:43 to be captured by the second image sensor and used to improve the quality
5:47 of the image sensor.
5:47 Now, let's turn to the Alice Mayo test for patent eligibility.
5:56 The district court wrongly found under step one
6:01 that the claims of the 289 patent are merely directed to the abstract idea
6:07 of taking two pictures and using those pictures to enhance each other in some way.
6:13 This is an egregious oversimplification of the claim,
6:17 and it runs afoul of this court's admittance,
6:19 that we must therefore ensure at step one
6:24 that we articulate what the claims are directed to
6:27 with enough specificity to ensure that the step one inquiry is meaningful.
6:33 The district court's characterization completely ignores
6:36 all the structural limitations of the claims,
6:38 and it doesn't consider the structural limitations of the claims
6:41 in combination with the image enhancement limitation.
6:46 It would even cover single-segmental,
6:49 sensor-digital cameras, in fact,
6:52 that performed image enhancement.
6:54 So, this was clearly an overbroad and erroneous characterization of the claims.
6:58 The claims are not merely directed to using one picture to enhance another,
7:02 but rather they're directed to the specific and unconventional
7:05 digital camera architecture recited in the claims,
7:09 and the specific and unconventional use of that architecture
7:12 to produce a resultant digital image.
7:15 Judge Taranto One of the problems, at least speaking for myself,
7:18 that we often have is,
7:19 in these 101 cases,
7:21 is that in the old pre-Mayo world,
7:25 the patent bar thought that it was enough to simply say,
7:30 the complete combination of all the claim elements,
7:33 and Mayo says, stop doing that.
7:37 Talk in specifics about what's going on in the claim,
7:41 and the traditional way of...
7:46 So, can you do that here?
7:47 Instead of just referring to the...
7:51 The complete arrangement of the configuration in the claims
7:54 indicate what is it about this configuration
7:58 that is a departure from previous ways from the prior art?
8:08 Appellant Attorney (Robert G. Litts) Sure.
8:09 Well, the most conventional way at that time,
8:12 back in 1999,
8:15 was to simply use a single image sensor.
8:17 So, multi-sensor cameras themselves,
8:20 I don't think could be truly called conventional at that time.
8:23 But...
8:24 But even with regard to multi-sensor cameras,
8:28 they did not use image sensors
8:30 that are closely positioned with respect to a common plane,
8:33 and they did not use image sensors that are...
8:35 Judge Taranto Just to be clear,
8:36 does that mean that they are, roughly speaking, co-planar?
8:40 Or does it mean something else?
8:42 I didn't see in the brief anybody saying,
8:45 here's what it means to be closely positioned
8:47 with respect to a common plane.
8:49 Appellant Attorney (Robert G. Litts) Well, the specification does give guidance
8:52 as to what that means.
8:54 So,
8:55 most particularly with regard to figures 4A and 4B,
8:59 where it shows sort of example configurations.
9:04 And the specification also states
9:06 that the close positioning of the image sensors
9:09 allows the images to be registered
9:12 without excessive computational requirements.
9:17 So, another party has alleged
9:21 that claim construction has bearing
9:23 on the outcome of the proceeding.
9:25 No, but if we...
9:26 Judge Taranto But if we're trying actually to generate in our minds
9:30 a picture of what's going on,
9:32 a little understand explanation would be helpful.
9:35 Appellant Attorney (Robert G. Litts) Sure.
9:37 The best way, I think,
9:38 to understand the closely positioned limitation
9:41 is that...
9:44 simply that they are close to one another,
9:48 as opposed to not necessarily being close to a common plane,
9:52 but close to one another.
9:55 And as a specification,
9:57 the specification explains so that they can capture images
10:00 of the same target,
10:01 and so that the images can be registered with one another.
10:04 So, to visualize it, I would say looking at the sensors
10:12 from a front-on perspective,
10:14 from the standpoint of the image target,
10:15 they have to be close to another.
10:16 And close enough so that the same target can be captured
10:20 with the multiple sensors.
10:23 Okay.
10:24 And are close enough so that the registration process can be not
10:27 computationally, to a extent,
10:29 to a certain extent.
10:33 I guess, require too many resources.
10:35 Right.
10:35 Computational resources.
10:38 Now, I came into my rebuttal time,
10:40 so I'll just proceed quickly through a couple of issues
10:43 relating to prong one.
10:44 Now, the Clandin invention clearly improves the functionality
10:47 and capabilities of digital cameras.
10:50 It enables them to produce digital images better
10:52 than prior digital cameras,
10:55 and producing digital images is the main function
10:57 of a digital camera.
10:58 So, this is a clear case where the invention improves the
11:02 functionality of digital cameras.
11:03 So, this is a clear case where the invention improves the functionality
11:03 of the claims system.
11:05 Also, the problems described in the 289 patent specifications
11:09 being solved by the invention are clearly technical problems
11:12 relating to the limitations of then-existing image sensors.
11:15 So, those problems included things like limited resolution,
11:18 due to low pixel counts, inability to show vivid colors
11:22 by limited pixel depth, and inability to show details
11:25 of a large .
11:26 Judge Taranto This is Judge Taranto.
11:27 I'm sorry to eat up more time.
11:30 Does the word, the word, the word, the word,
11:33 enhance or then the limitation of which it is a part have any meaning
11:37 in the claim or are you saying that if you create the configuration,
11:42 the structural, if you have something
11:44 that satisfies the structural elements of the claim,
11:47 it will automatically meet that enhanced limitation
11:50 or does enhance actually mean something additional?
11:55 Appellant Attorney (Robert G. Litts) Enhanced means using information from the second image
11:59 to improve the first image.
12:01 So, the first image is going
12:03 to be changed or modified in some way using information
12:05 from the second image.
12:07 Judge Newman Okay.
12:10 Appellant Attorney (Robert G. Litts) With the idea that the image
12:12 from the second sensor might capture information
12:15 that was missed by the first sensor.
12:19 It might be useful in improving the image from the first sensor.
12:25 Okay. Thank you.
12:27 And briefly under step two, I believe
12:31 that where the district court ran most afoul
12:34 of this court's admonitions is
12:38 failing to consider the claimed combination.
12:41 This court has held that the claim combination of or that an inventive concept can be found not only
12:49 in the individual limitations but on the, but in the claimed combination of limitations.
12:52 The district court not only ignored the claim combination of structural limitations but failed
12:57 to consider that combination along with the enhanced limitation.
13:01 And this court or the Supreme Court made clear in Diamond versus Deer that any abstract idea
13:07 or mathematical.
13:09 Formulas that can be identified in the claim must be considered
13:13 in determining the patent eligibility question.
13:16 And that simply didn't happen at the district court.
13:22 On the issue of preemption, there is clearly no danger of preemption here
13:30 because there are forms of image enhancement using multiple,
13:34 using multiple captured digital images that do not,
13:39 that would not infringe the claims.
13:41 For example, using multiple images captured
13:43 from the same image sensor would not, would not infringe the claim.
13:48 Like for example, if the images were captured in burst mode from the same sensor
13:52 and then one was used to enhance the others, that would not be encompassed within the claims.
13:58 Also, any enhancement using multiple image sensors where none of the image sensors are responsive
14:02 to a full region of visible color spectrum would be encompassed by the claims
14:07 or where the image sensors are not closely,
14:09 positioned with respect to a common plane, that likewise would not be encompassed by the claims.
14:14 So the danger of preemption is vastly overstated by both the district court and by the appellees.
14:20 And finally, the pleadings include numerous plausible factual allegations regarding the inventiveness
14:28 of the claimed invention, improvements to digital camera functionality provided by the invention,
14:34 the technical nature of the problems solved by the invention, unconventional aspects
14:38 of the invention.
14:39 And the lack of preemption, all of these allegations, allegations were improperly ignored
14:45 and discounted by the district court as being merely conclusory.
14:48 And this is not the case.
14:49 They were all supported by extensive citations to and quotations from the intrinsic record,
14:55 particularly the specifications.
14:56 So failing to take into account those allegations was improper
15:02 and those allegations preclude dismissal at the stage of the proceedings.
15:06 Judge Prost Thank you.
15:08 We'll restore that.
15:09 We're a couple minutes of rebuttal.
15:10 Let's hear from the other side.
15:12 Ms. Keefe.
15:13 Appellee Attorney (Heidi Lyn Keefe) Thank you, Your Honors.
15:14 May it please the court, Heidi Keefe for Appellees.
15:18 I think what's really critical here, Your Honors, is what we actually just heard during
15:23 the opening oral argument.
15:26 We were told for the first time, it was admitted, that there is no enhancement simply by using
15:35 the structure that is claimed in the claim.
15:38 Instead, you need something more.
15:40 And that's absolutely foundational to our allegation about 101.
15:45 For example, I think one of the best ways to see this is every time that enhancement
15:51 is discussed in the specification, it refers to a whole other step.
15:57 For example, if we look to Appendix 28, Column 10, starting at Line 6, going through Line
16:03 16, it describes Figure 8, which says that in order to do the enhancement, you have to
16:09 first have just normal pictures that come in from the two different sensors.
16:13 And then you have to do a separate step of digital signal processing and then enhancement.
16:20 Figure 8, separate box.
16:23 After you receive the images from these conventional sensors that are just, you know, use the ones
16:29 that are cheap, don't go create a new sensor.
16:32 We also heard that during the opening argument.
16:34 We're not going to build new sensors.
16:36 We're just going to use the ones that already exist and try to do it in some inexpensive way.
16:40 And that's replete at Columns 1 and 2.
16:44 Once we get those images, we then have to perform digital image processing, but we're
16:50 never told how.
16:51 And then we have to enhance the image, and that's at Step 820 in Figure 8.
16:55 But again, we're never told how.
16:57 Judge Taranto Ms. Keefe, this is Judge Taranto.
16:59 So this is not a – this is, I guess, a little different from some of the other 101 cases
17:06 we have.
17:06 But help me see how your –
17:11 Your focus on the unexplained but nevertheless meaningful term, enhancement, plays into
17:23 the 101 analysis, as opposed to saying either it hasn't been enabled or it's indefinite.
17:31 Fit it into 101 analysis for me.
17:34 Appellee Attorney (Heidi Lyn Keefe) Absolutely.
17:35 Thank you, Your Honor, for the question.
17:36 What we have to do in 101 is we have to look to what is the claim directly?
17:41 What is the claim directly directed to?
17:43 What is the whole essentially gist of the claim?
17:45 What's the purpose of the claim?
17:47 And what we know here from the claim itself, as well as from the specification, is that
17:52 the entire purpose, the entire invention, is to produce an enhanced image.
17:58 Judge Taranto We see that first in the abstract.
18:00 But I guess – and maybe I'm confused about this.
18:03 I thought I heard your friend on the other side say, no, it cannot be said that the claim
18:11 that if you take out the enhancement limitation, that the rest of the structure, including
18:19 just the simple fact of two lenses, one of which is responsive to a full range of color,
18:29 that that structural arrangement with whatever it means to say close to the relationship
18:38 to the plane is.
18:39 That that itself is –
18:42 It is.
18:43 It is not conventional.
18:48 And if that's right, then that's part of the gist.
18:58 Appellee Attorney (Heidi Lyn Keefe) So your Honor, what we heard was them trying to add something to the claim that doesn't
19:03 exist there.
19:03 Your Honor asked the question, could the claim cover two standard black and white sensors?
19:09 And the answer is, not only could it, it must.
19:12 The claim as written simply says that there are two sensors.
19:17 One of which is sensitive.
19:19 It's sensitive to the full range of color.
19:20 And it's silent to the other.
19:22 Judge Taranto Which everybody understands to mean black and white.
19:25 Appellee Attorney (Heidi Lyn Keefe) Correct, Your Honor.
19:26 Black and white.
19:27 And it's easier if I just say it that way.
19:28 So that the claim one requires using one black and white sensor and it's silent to the other.
19:34 Claim two says, wherein the other sensor is also black and white.
19:40 So we know that the independent claim has to cover a situation with two black and white
19:45 sensors.
19:46 We also know from the gray brief that the –
19:49 Judge Taranto So why isn't that an asserted advance as long as those two sensors are properly aligned?
19:56 Appellee Attorney (Heidi Lyn Keefe) Because Your Honor, we know from the intrinsic record that in fact, closely aligning sensors
20:03 is old.
20:05 It's never been disputed that it was conventional in order to place things on a common plane.
20:11 It's no different, for example, than your eyes being on a common plane and receiving
20:15 two images.
20:16 And that's something we discussed in the briefing down below.
20:19 And the notion – the gray brief actually admits that each of the component parts is
20:26 in fact conventional.
20:28 And so what we know then – and that, by the way, is in the gray brief at page 12.
20:34 We know, therefore, that each of the component parts is just being used in its normal, ordinary,
20:39 conventional fashion to simply produce an image.
20:42 There is nothing here that takes it out of the realm of the abstract, and it doesn't
20:49 do anything.
20:49 There is nothing new or different.
20:51 And I don't mean those words – I apologize to use the word new.
20:54 I don't mean those words in the novelty sense.
20:56 I mean them in the take it out of the realm of the abstract.
20:59 Here, the gist of the patent, the things that the claim is directed to, is not anything
21:06 new about how you place the sensors.
21:09 In fact, again, if we look to the specification itself – and this is replete through columns
21:14 one and two in Appendix 24 – we hear that we don't want to use new sensors.
21:20 We want to use the old sensors so that we can get a better image without costing more
21:27 money.
21:27 And that's at column two, for example, line five.
21:31 It's also at column two, lines 20 through 21, lines 32 through 33, et cetera.
21:38 So the claim is not directed to a new placement or a new combination of how these things are
21:46 used.
21:46 The claim itself just says, make sure you've got two sensors.
21:50 Make sure you've got two sensors.
21:50 They can both be black and white that receive data to create an image.
21:56 And then the magic happens when you combine or enhance those images by using one image
22:02 with another image.
22:04 And so what we heard during the opening argument was that the real thrust of the specification
22:12 was, if you use three sensors that are different from the fourth, you will be able to provide
22:19 the missing data.
22:20 And therefore, come up with an enhancement.
22:23 But that's not how it was claimed.
22:25 It wasn't claimed as one or three sensors that are completely different from the fourth.
22:32 And therefore, there will be a benefit because of providing missing data.
22:37 That simply isn't how it's claimed.
22:39 And in Alice, we have to look to how things are claimed.
22:43 In that sense, this case is exactly like two-way media.
22:47 Where two-way media tried to get information from the fourth.
22:50 from one place to another in multicasting sense, and it said,
22:54 and I'm going to stick another computer in the middle so that that helps get the information
22:59 from the source out to the recipient, and the thing in the middle is going to do the one,
23:05 the thing that figures it all out.
23:08 Here, and in 2A Media, I'm sorry, nowhere was it ever described how that happened
23:14 or how that intervening computer or server was used in an unconventional way.
23:19 Exactly the same thing here.
23:22 Even though there is recitation of using black and white sensors,
23:27 there is absolutely nothing that explains how that enhances an image
23:32 until you use one image to enhance another, and that is nowhere described.
23:39 Instead, that is, go ahead, Your Honor.
23:41 I'm sorry, did I hear a question?
23:46 Judge Prost No, I don't think so.
23:47 Please keep going.
23:49 Appellee Attorney (Heidi Lyn Keefe) I apologize, Your Honor.
23:50 I'm trying so hard to make sure.
23:52 I don't talk over you that I probably heard something else.
23:55 Judge Prost Yeah, thank you.
23:57 Appellee Attorney (Heidi Lyn Keefe) And so here, as in 2A Media, we are never told how to effectuate the abstraction.
24:05 Instead, we have only the black box of the digital signal processor in Figure 3,
24:11 of the digital signal processing in Figure 8, and the enhance the image of 830 in Figure 8.
24:19 Therefore, the case law tells us that this is...
24:23 This is just an abstract claim claiming the functional benefit of an enhanced image.
24:31 Nothing else.
24:35 Nothing else.
24:39 If Your Honors didn't have any other questions, the only other thing...
24:43 Judge Taranto Can I just, I think, return to a subject that we were discussing before?
24:48 Can you point with some specificity to...
24:51 I think you referred to the prosecution history,
24:54 but the material that you rely on to say,
24:59 that putting aside the enhancement feature of the claim,
25:03 the rest, just the components, but their arrangement,
25:08 is not plausibly asserted to be an advance.
25:16 Appellee Attorney (Heidi Lyn Keefe) Yes, Your Honor.
25:17 For example, we cite to the appendix file history
25:23 where Magano was recognized by the examiner
25:29 as having...
25:32 multiple censors that are placed closely with respect to a common plane.
25:38 And that can be seen, for example, at Appendix 123.
25:42 The figure itself shows that.
25:45 This wasn't refuted in any way, shape, or form by the applicant.
25:51 And I understand that it was a first office action allowance,
25:54 but they still, if they disbelieved that,
25:57 could have submitted materials that said,
26:00 and I do not...
26:01 believe that that's true, they did not do so.
26:04 Similarly, they haven't disputed that below
26:08 because Magano actually says it,
26:10 as do the other references that are cited in the file history.
26:13 And that's, again, at Appendix, for example, 118.
26:19 That leads me also to, Your Honor, one other question,
26:21 which I think consistently...
26:24 I'm sorry.
26:25 Judge Taranto What in light of that do you make of a few passages
26:30 in the specification?
26:31 And since we are at 12B6, that matters.
26:36 That seemed to say, I don't know,
26:39 the key to the advance here is this structural arrangement.
26:47 Appellee Attorney (Heidi Lyn Keefe) So, Your Honor, I think, for example,
26:49 the specification does talk about
26:52 if you had completely different censors.
26:57 For example, if you had a red, green, blue censor
27:02 in combination with a black and white censor,
27:04 the specification makes hay of the fact that
27:07 then you would be using the black and white censor
27:10 to potentially fill in information that was missed
27:14 by the red, green, or blue censor.
27:16 That's what the specification talks about.
27:18 That's not claimed, Your Honor.
27:21 Just the opposite.
27:22 The claim simply says,
27:24 have one black and white censor,
27:27 and claim two tells us,
27:28 and make sure the other censor is also black and white.
27:31 Therefore, there is no other information
27:34 that's being missed.
27:35 There's no other information
27:36 that you would necessarily come up with
27:40 that could be even used to make the enhancement
27:43 if you practice the claim as is.
27:46 This is one of those cases
27:48 where you have to look very carefully
27:49 to exactly what is claimed,
27:51 not to what the specification describes
27:54 as an embodiment that is not claimed.
27:57 In that sense, Your Honor,
27:58 this case is very similar to Berkheimer.
28:00 In Berkheimer, as Your Honors well know,
28:03 there were two censors,
28:04 there was the independent claims
28:05 and the dependent claims,
28:07 and the independent claims
28:08 simply claimed the memory and storing information.
28:13 That was found to be ineligible,
28:15 even though the specification
28:16 specifically also disclosed embodiments
28:19 that were claimed in the dependent claims
28:22 that said, don't store redundant data.
28:24 Well, if you didn't store the redundant data,
28:27 then it could speed up the system
28:29 and somehow make that, therefore, eligible.
28:32 That shows us that it's not,
28:35 not just what's in the specification,
28:36 it's what's claimed that matters.
28:39 So even though the specification
28:40 may have had something that if claimed,
28:43 and we don't know if they could have
28:44 or what it would have been,
28:46 but it wasn't claimed,
28:48 therefore, it's still ineligible.
28:51 Does that answer Your Honor's question?
28:53 Judge Taranto I said thank you for that, yes.
28:56 Appellee Attorney (Heidi Lyn Keefe) Thank you very much, Your Honor.
28:57 And in that sense,
28:58 this case also is not like fails
29:03 where the simple usage of the two censors
29:05 placed in different places,
29:06 inherently produced the benefit,
29:11 nor is it like McGraw,
29:13 where the claim gave the specificity
29:15 of how to achieve the improved image.
29:18 Here, we have no idea how to achieve the improved image,
29:21 and in fact, we have no idea
29:24 what the information even is that's going to be combined.
29:28 And with that, Your Honors,
29:29 unless you have other questions.
29:31 Judge Prost Well, can I just ask you, Ms. Keefe,
29:34 just another housekeeping question,
29:37 which is,
29:37 there are two IPRs concerning this patent.
29:41 Am I correct?
29:42 That's correct, Your Honor.
29:43 So, and how does that proceeding
29:46 correspond to this one?
29:49 Appellee Attorney (Heidi Lyn Keefe) So, the PTAB decisions,
29:52 there have been final written decisions
29:54 where most of the claims
29:56 were held to be not patentable.
29:59 Those are in a stage
30:01 for getting ready to come up on appeal.
30:04 So, this case is ahead of those.
30:06 Judge Taranto But not all of the claims, right?
30:08 I forget, which is it,
30:08 two that would say is dependent.
30:10 That's correct.
30:11 Appellee Attorney (Heidi Lyn Keefe) That's exactly correct, Your Honor.
30:13 Judge Prost All right.
30:14 Thank you very much.
30:16 Appellee Attorney (Heidi Lyn Keefe) Thank you, Your Honors,
30:17 for your attention and time.
30:19 Mr. Lipps?
30:21 Appellant Attorney (Robert G. Litts) Okay.
30:22 I will just briefly address
30:24 some of Appellee's points.
30:26 The Appellees are, again,
30:27 improperly focusing on individual claim limitations
30:31 and not the claimed combination of limitations.
30:35 What is nonconventional in the claims
30:38 is the claimed combination.
30:40 So, the Appellee's point is
30:40 the claim of the structural components
30:41 and the claimed use of those components
30:45 to produce a resultant digital image.
30:49 That is not something that the Appellee's
30:52 have addressed.
30:54 Also, this is not a process claim.
30:57 This is an apparatus claim
30:58 that discloses details of a specific
31:00 and unconventional digital camera architecture.
31:03 Those details
31:04 are themselves patent eligible.
31:06 The Appellee's are suggesting that
31:09 an apparatus claim is not a process claim.
31:10 A process claim is more susceptible to attack
31:11 under Section 101 than a process claim
31:13 because the apparatus claim is going to include
31:15 the type of process steps that would be included
31:18 in a process claim.
31:19 But the structure itself is patent eligible.
31:21 So, and certainly the combination of the structure
31:24 with the image enhancement
31:26 is patent eligible.
31:29 So, the continued disregard
31:31 for the combination of structural limitations
31:34 in the claim
31:35 is erroneous.
31:39 Also, with regard
31:40 to Burr's claim,
31:41 that case is simply irrelevant
31:43 and also are a number
31:44 of the other cases that
31:47 Appellee's have relied on in their briefing
31:49 because there's no purportedly
31:51 unconventional architecture of components
31:52 in those cases.
31:55 That's a common theme
31:56 throughout those cases as opposed to
31:58 the present case where we have
32:00 a specific architecture.
32:03 Judge Taranto This is just Toronto.
32:04 Can I just ask you, can you address
32:08 Nagumo
32:08 which was addressed by
32:11 was one basis for a
32:12 for a rejection in the prosecution
32:14 history at 117.
32:17 Putting aside
32:19 the enhancement
32:21 limitation,
32:23 does that not
32:24 show at least one
32:27 arrangement
32:29 that falls within claim one?
32:32 Appellant Attorney (Robert G. Litts) No, the
32:34 examiner found that that reference
32:35 did not disclose an image sensor
32:38 that senses to a full region of visible
32:39 color spectrum. And actually the reason why the claims
32:42 were found allowable
32:43 was for that reason. It wasn't because of
32:45 image enhancement. It was because
32:47 of the failure of any of the references to
32:49 disclose an image sensor that
32:52 senses to a full region of visible
32:53 color spectrum. With regard to
32:56 closely positioned with respect to a common plane,
32:58 that reference shows
32:59 schematics.
33:02 And appellants believe that
33:04 just showing schematics without any sort of
33:06 description of sensor placement,
33:07 anything more detailed than schematics
33:10 is not sufficient. So we have
33:12 not conceded anything
33:13 with regard to that reference. And
33:17 as counsel
33:18 for appellees pointed out, the claims were
33:20 allowed on the first office action, so there's no need
33:22 to respond to that finding.
33:24 But that has not been conceded.
33:29 Judge Prost Thank you. We
33:30 thank both parties and the case is
33:32 submitted. That concludes our proceeding
33:34 for this morning. Thank you all.
33:37 The honorable court is adjourned until
33:39 tomorrow morning at 10 a.m.